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This marathon plan from Jack Daniels is an 18-week build for runners who already log big weeks and want every one of those miles to count. For the right runner, the training at its center is excellent: two hard days a week, everything else easy, and long runs to 21 miles. Daniels' plans read like a scientist wrote them, because one did: every run has a job in the body, and every pace comes from a race you've already run.
Magdalena Boulet, who trained under him for about 12 years, made the 2008 U.S. Olympic marathon team. "I wouldn't have bet any money on myself," she said years later. Her rule: "In terms of paces, I always stay with what's given to me." This plan asks the same of you, right up to week 17, when an 18-mile run carries 14 miles at marathon effort.
The catch is what's missing. It runs nearly every day for 18 weeks without a planned break, and the strength work the book asks for never reaches the schedule. The plan leaves it to you to stay healthy enough to use it.
Decent
| Structure | 2 | |
| Prevention | 4 | |
| Flexibility | 4 | |
| Readiness | 5 | |
| Variety | 5 |
Most weeks have two hard days, on Monday and Thursday as the schedule lays it out. Monday rotates between a long easy run, an 18-mile run with long stretches at marathon effort, threshold repeats, and a threshold session split by an hour of easy running. Thursday is usually threshold repeats or 1 km repeats near 5K effort, often finished with short, quick ones, and once, in week 10, a 20-miler with 12 miles at marathon effort. The other days are easy, and race week has a single short hard session. Your paces come from tables in the book, read off a recent race time.
It's written for runners who have run 60 or more miles a week for at least two months, run daily without trouble, and have a recent race result to set their paces.
A week with Daniels
Here is week 9, from the middle of the plan.
MONDAY is the long run, 19 miles at an easy pace you could talk through.
TUESDAY is an easy hour.
WEDNESDAY is another easy hour.
THURSDAY is the hard day. After 5 easy miles, you run 4 miles at threshold effort, the pace you could race for about an hour. Then 4 minutes easy, 3 more miles at threshold, 3 minutes easy, 2 miles, 2 minutes easy, and a final mile, before 2 easy miles home. That's 17 miles, 10 of them hard.
FRIDAY is an easy hour.
SATURDAY is an easy hour.
SUNDAY is an easy hour.
Every day has a run. The week lands in the low 70s for miles, and nearly half of them come on Monday and Thursday.
Thursday is the session you'll remember. The first 4-mile block feels controlled, almost comfortable. The breaks shrink along with the blocks, so by the last mile you've run 9 at threshold and your legs want to turn it into a race. Hold the effort you started with instead. The ladder teaches you to stay steady while tired, and racing the last mile skips the lesson.
Tuesday and Wednesday decide whether Thursday works. Those two easy hours sit between a 19-miler and 10 threshold miles. If they drift into moderate, which happens easily when you're fit and the legs feel fine, Thursday breaks halfway down the ladder. The book lets an easy day become a rest day now and then. In a week like this, Wednesday is a good one to use.
The schedule starts the week on Monday, but the book lets any weekday be day 1, so you can slide it to put the long run on a weekend.
Does it build you up smartly?
A marathon build usually changes character as it goes. The early weeks lay down mileage, the middle weeks add the hard work the race will lean on, and the last weeks turn toward race effort before the miles come down. Plans that move through stages like this tend to race better than plans that hold one load from start to finish, though the gain is small.
Daniels takes a different route. He progresses the paces, not the sessions. The schedule starts you a little slower than the paces from your race and brings you up to them by week 13, so the same kinds of sessions get harder because you run them faster. It's a coherent idea, and the miles and long runs grow alongside it.
But the kind of work never changes. From week 3 to week 17, Monday and Thursday cycle through the same set of sessions in roughly the same mix, so what you do in week 4 is what you do in week 16.
The sessions also don't say much about why they're there. Each one gives you the distances at each effort, but a short stock note repeats across most of them, and the reasons live in the book. On the schedule alone, you know what to run and not what it's for.
Does it protect you from injury?
Mostly. The build is gradual, but the plan never gives your body a break from its heaviest days, and it leaves strength and warning signs to you.
The weekly climb is the good news. You start close to the mileage you already run, which is where most coaches would have a plan start. The biggest weekly rise, about a fifth into week 12, stays short of the very large weekly jumps that tend to raise injury risk. And higher, steady weekly running tends to go with fewer injuries, not more, though not every study agrees.
The load is heavier than the mileage looks, though. Weekly distance leaves out how hard those miles are, and this plan puts a lot into two days. In weeks 12 and 15, a 20-miler on Monday is followed by an 18-mile hard day on Thursday. Week 15 alone has 8 threshold miles on Monday and 10 more on Thursday. The second big day lands on legs still carrying the first, and with no lighter week in 17 weeks of building, that fatigue never fully clears. If you're moving up from one of the book's lower-mileage tiers, this is the part that will feel new. When a reader asked Daniels about running 85-plus miles a week instead of 70, he drew a line: "if feeling more tired or stressed as a result of increasing mileage, it is not the time to continue with that increase."
The only lighter week is race week. The miles dip now and then, but only because a shorter session happens to fall on Monday, not because the plan built in a break. That matters, because tiredness that keeps stacking with no lighter week to clear it tends to raise the odds of injury and illness.
Strength is left off the schedule entirely. The book has a detailed program, but where it fits around two long hard days, and what goes into each session, is your call. Skipping it costs more than it seems: strength training substantially lowers the risk of sports injuries. Marathoner Shalane Flanagan, who had few injuries in her career, put it down to one thing: "I attribute that to being as strong as possible."
Each hard session opens with easy running, which is a proper warm-up, but there are no drills or mobility work before the fast miles. And while the book has clear tables for coming back after time off, nothing on the schedule tells you what to watch for along the way. Many runners learn that a niggle, the small ache that lingers between runs, can be the start of an injury that stops them running. When one shows up, take the next easy day off or keep it short, before it becomes the reason you miss a week.
What happens when you miss a day?
The book teaches you how to run each session, not just what to run, and that does a lot of the work when a week goes sideways.
Each run comes with an effort you can feel as well as a pace you can look up. Threshold is "comfortably hard," the effort you could hold for about an hour of racing. The faster repeats sit near the effort you'd race 5K at. The tables in the book turn a race time into a precise pace for every kind of run, and if you race again mid-build, you can look up new paces and carry on. On a tired day, you can run by the effort and still get the session's point.
What to cut in a short week is implied rather than spelled out. Each week's two hard days are labeled first and second in priority, and the book allows an easy day to become a rest day now and then. So the sensible order is to protect Monday and Thursday and let an easy hour go. But no rule on the schedule says so.
Moving a single session is manageable. Five easy hours a week give you room to shift a hard day by a day, as long as you keep easy days between the hard ones. A missed week is harder. Nothing on the schedule says whether to repeat it, drop it, or fold its long day into the next one. That call is yours.
Will it get you ready for race day?
Yes. This is where the plan is at its best.
The marathon is long, and most runners find the long run is what carries them through the late miles. Longer long runs tend to go with faster finishes, though no one has checked whether shorter, faster sessions could do the same. This plan builds it from 90 minutes in week 1 to 18, 19, 20 and finally 21 miles in week 14, five weeks before the race. Dutch researchers who studied runners training for marathons reached a conclusion this plan follows: "For a fast marathon finish time, it therefore seems important to train with a high weekly training volume, but it does not seem necessary to include an endurance run of more than 35 km." That's about 22 miles. And the long run isn't the only long day. In several weeks, both hard days run 16 miles or more, so you get two runs a week that would each count as a long run on their own. Long hours on your feet become a regular part of the week.
It also trains both efforts the race depends on. Marathon-effort running shows up in 18-mile runs that carry 11 to 14 miles at race effort, and in week 10's 20-miler with 12. In week 17, two weeks out, you run 14 of 18 miles at race effort, which is as close to a dress rehearsal as training gets. Threshold work comes nearly every week, as repeats, as a descending ladder, and as sessions that put an hour of easy running between two threshold blocks, so the second block is run on tired legs. Week after week, you get a lot of time at that effort.
Then the miles come down. The last two weeks ease off from the peak, and race week drops to about 40 miles but keeps one short threshold session. A taper of up to three weeks improves race performance over training straight through to the start. Cutting back can still feel wrong. "The first marathon I had to taper, I felt like I was losing fitness," says Reid Coolsaet, a pro marathoner who once cut from about 125 miles a week to 55 before a race. "But the way I felt in the first part of that marathon, I realized that it worked."
Are the workouts varied enough?
Fast marathoners need a big aerobic engine, the ability to run close to their limit for a long time, and a stride that wastes little energy. Training usually gets at all of that by keeping most running easy and making a few days clearly hard, rather than settling into a steady middle effort. Runners who keep easy days easy and hard days hard tend to improve more.
This plan does that well. About 83 percent of the running is easy, and the 2 hard days never fall back to back. The hard days themselves change from week to week. One Thursday is a 4-3-2-1 ladder at threshold. Another is 1 km repeats near 5K effort, finished with short, fast 400s that leave your legs feeling quick. Across 18 weeks there are 10 different session formats, so each hard day asks something a little different of you.
One thing to add yourself: strides. The book asks for them on 2 or 3 easy days a week, but they're not on the schedule. A handful of short, relaxed bursts at the end of an easy hour takes a few minutes, and short, explosive efforts tend to help you use less energy at the same pace, though the research tested jumps and sprints rather than strides themselves.
The good & bad of training from a book
Daniels' Running Formula is the reason this plan works. It explains what each kind of run does in the body and how a single race result sets your pace for all of them. Read it, and the schedule stops being a list of letters and numbers and becomes a set of sessions you understand.
You'll still run it with the book open. The schedule is in the book's shorthand. The paces are in tables in another chapter, and strength and time off are in a third. Before you start, it's worth copying each week onto a calendar or your phone with the paces filled in, so you aren't decoding a session at the door.
The paces also need a recent race. The schedule eases you into them, reaching your full paces in week 13, then holds them. They move again only if you race and look them up. If you don't race during the build, the last weeks can have you training at paces from a race months earlier, set for the runner you were then.
Is it right for you?
Run it. The plan starts close to where you already are, and the climb from there is gradual.
Run it. Most hard sessions are written out in miles, and the book's tables give you a pace for each part.
Think it over. The big change isn't the weekly total. It's two long hard days in the same week, several weeks running.
Look elsewhere. Weeks with two long hard days, one after another, are hard on a body that's still recovering.
Think it over. You need a race result to set your paces, and a new one to update them.
Look elsewhere. Every session is set by pace and effort, with no heart-rate targets.
A good alternative with an app
If Daniels' two-hard-days approach suits you, Buena Vida offers its members a plan at much the same mileage, built around the time goal in its title. It runs near-daily, keeps most miles easy, puts marathon-effort miles inside the long runs, and builds to 21 miles.
Closest matchWhy this plan scores higher
- A lighter week every fourth week, in weeks 4, 8 and 12, where this plan has none before race week
- A day without running every week, so you run 6 days instead of 7
- Strides on easy days and a hill session in week 3, both on the calendar
- Separate base, build and taper phases, so the hard work shifts toward the race as it gets closer
- Every hard session opens with a written warm-up and carries its own note on what it's for
- Strength sessions on your calendar every Sunday until race week
What the app adds
- No complicated lookup tables. Each day's workout is clear and easy to follow
- Paces worked out from your own fitness, and adjusted automatically as you get stronger
- Miss a run, move a run, and the plan carries on
- Voice coaching through every workout, and runs recorded from your iPhone, Apple Watch, or Garmin
Get more out of your running with Buena Vida
Buena Vida was built by a runner to bring the whole job of training into one place: a plan that fits your schedule and your fitness, coaching on every run, and food targets that keep up with the work you do. Members get personal training & nutrition plans, plus full access to the catalog of pre-written plans for every running goal.
In research studies, runners on plans fit to them improved as much as or more than runners on fixed plans, and fewer of them stalled.
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More plans like this
Each of these plans takes its own route to race day. Effort-based plans set your hard sessions by feel, so you learn what 10K effort and tempo feel like, and your training paces grow with you as you get stronger. Time-goal plans set every pace from the finish time you're aiming for. Others trade days, weeks, or mileage to fit your life.
Frequently asked questions
- Do I need the book to run the Daniels 2Q marathon plan?
- Yes. The schedule only names the type of each run. How fast to run each type comes from the book's tables, which convert a recent race time into training paces. Without both the book and a race, the sessions have no paces.
- What does 2Q mean in the Daniels marathon plan?
- It stands for two quality sessions a week. Two days carry the hard running, at least two easy days apart, and every other day is easy. In this plan the quality days are often long: one is usually 16 to 21 miles, and the other is often 14 to 18.
- What is VDOT in the Daniels plan?
- It's the fitness number Daniels' tables assign to a race result. Look up your recent race, get your VDOT, and the same tables give you a pace for each kind of run, from easy days to the fastest repeats. This plan's sessions are written to those paces.
- How many miles a week does the Daniels 71 to 85 mile marathon plan run?
- As written, the schedule starts in the mid 50s and peaks in the mid 70s, with easy days written as an hour each. The plan asks you to fill the rest of your week with easy running to reach your target.
- Does the Daniels 2Q marathon plan include strength training?
- The book has a detailed strength program, but none of it appears on the schedule. Fitting sessions in around the two hard days, and putting each one together, is up to you.
- Does the plan have recovery weeks or a taper?
- There is no lighter week until the end. The miles come down a little in the two weeks before the race, and race week drops to about 40 miles with one short threshold session.
- How long is the longest run?
- 21 miles, in week 14. Several other days run 18 to 20 miles and mix easy running with long stretches at marathon effort or threshold.
- Is the Daniels 2Q marathon plan worth running?
- For a runner who already runs big weeks, yes, with care. The race preparation is excellent: long runs to 21 miles, long marathon-effort rehearsals, and threshold work nearly every week. Where it falls short is protection: no planned breaks before race week, and strength work left for you to schedule.
Research notes
- Shifting training emphasis beats unchanging training
- Start at the mileage you already run, not the peak
- Sharp running-load jumps raise injury risk
- Consistent mileage is linked to fewer injuries
- Mileage alone doesn't measure your load
- Fixed plans need built-in lighter weeks
- Strength training lowers injury risk
- Niggles often warn of a bigger injury
- Longer long runs go with faster marathons
- A real taper sharpens you for race day
- Mix easy and hard instead of steady medium
- Keep easy days easy, hard days hard
- Explosive work can make you more efficient
